Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food crisis

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This is populism at its worst: the menu over which world leaders are discussing world poverty, starvation, and the present global food crisis. Thanks to Huffington Post for noticing this travesty.

Summit that's hard to swallow - world leaders enjoy 18-course banquet as they discuss how to solve global food crisis

By James Chapman

8th July 2008

Just two days ago, Gordon Brown was urging us all to stop wasting food and combat rising prices and a global shortage of provisions.

But yesterday the Prime Minister and other world leaders sat down to an 18-course gastronomic extravaganza at a G8 summit in Japan, which is focusing on the food crisis.

The dinner, and a six-course lunch, at the summit of leading industrialised nations on the island of Hokkaido, included delicacies such as caviar, milkfed lamb, sea urchin and tuna, with champagne and wines flown in from Europe and the U.S.

If you can stomach it, read the rest of this blurb HERE:



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Re: Global (none / 0)

Well, at least they're eating well.

I'm sorry, but should our leaders starve whilst they're trying to figure out how to feed the rest of us?  If the meeting were oriented around starving people, then this would be evil.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:28:33 PM EST

Re: Global (2.00 / 1)

Reaper buddy......   OF COURSE the G8 is focussing on Poverty, hence the reason this article was written.

Its freaking FRONT PAGE Huffington all day long.

Its not news that government executives live like kings (well thats what we used to call them), it's nothing new.

But to have what looks like 1000 per plate (not counting security, logistics, etc etc) seems very excessive.

You can have a 5 star 3-course meal like the rest of the world's elite have whenever they can afford it.

To me, this looks like the Japanese government doing the usual "Me-too look at me" nonsense you would expect from a devloping nation, not a world super power.

I hope this gets looked into more, if say the last 5 G8 summits were catered equally, than this is all par for the course.
If not then we need to place blame on Japan for showboating luxury and extravagance over the obvious crisis over food shortages.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:44:13 PM EST
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Re: Global (2.00 / 1)

I was going to comment that this does sound like the Japanese (didn't want to sound racist.)

They typically go WAY overboard, the most ridiculously extravagent meals I have ever had have been on business trips to Japan.

I agree, this was bad PR. Adam Corolla, who is not particularly critical (I hit the button to his station when Air America is running it's interminable commercials in the morning) of politics did a funny bit on it this AM.


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:49:05 PM EST
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Re: Global (2.00 / 1)

Maybe if they wore a Gandhi lion cloth while eating it would have made the outrage feel a bit better.


He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
by roxfoxy on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:45:13 PM EST
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What exactly is g8 Fantasy dessert? (2.00 / 2)

I hate when my crab bisque is hairy.


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:35:31 PM EST

Re: Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food (2.00 / 1)

Well, at least they're eating well.

Of course they are eating well. Sacrificing is for the little people.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:45:33 PM EST

Re: Global irony: `have-mores' (none / 0)

You do understand that there was an undercurrent of sarcasm to what you quoted, right?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:48:23 PM EST
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Re: Global irony: `have-mores' (none / 0)

Yes, I do. I just laid it on a little heavier.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:01:09 PM EST
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Re: Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food (none / 0)

So what would you want them to have eaten gruel. Would this have made them better able to understand and deal with the problem?

Or how about we don't let them eat for the entire conference so they get a better understanding of starvation. Oh wait they probably would have been so hungry as to effect their thinking abilities and problem solving skills.

Personally, I'm just glad it's on their radar screen as a crisis. If they eat well while discussing possible solutions I could care less.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:50:21 PM EST

Yes and yes. (2.00 / 3)

So what would you want them to have eaten gruel. Would this have made them better able to understand and deal with the problem?
Yes if the fat fucks of the G8 starved a little they might actually develop some slight semblance of empathy.
by tonedevil on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:20:21 PM EST
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Re: Yes and yes. (2.00 / 2)

Or maybe, just maybe they could spend a week in a community that cannot feed themselves.

I implore those "leaders" to take their fancy food and 24 chefs with them, we wouldn't want them to get woozy, but for god's sakes, let them see poverty outside of a picture.

Maybe here at home, we can also ask for our politicians to start pumping their own gas, no they dont need to pay for it, taxpayers are more than happy.
I would just like them to get an idea of what it feels like to see your paycheck dissapear into your gas tank.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:24:48 PM EST
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Re: Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food (none / 0)

solution is to stop making ethanol.   Too much grain used.


by dogman on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:20:04 PM EST
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Re: Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food (none / 0)


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:50:55 PM EST

FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (1.00 / 1)

...that is not anti-Jewish anti-Israeli smears.

Maybe he is a progessive after all.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:02:40 PM EST

Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (2.00 / 3)

Hooray for Republican trolls who hate Jews only a little less than muslims and blacks.

Newsflash genius, Likud is a ultra-CONSERVATIVE movement.

Likud and Aipac do not represent Israel, stop trying to smear the nation as a monolithic entity.

Shergald, I appreciate all your diaries but will add I find it refreshing you stepped away from your passion to write on something else.

Its unfortunate you represent the minority on this site, people who care about issues outside of insider-Dem squables.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:08:48 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (none / 0)

and your heritage or academic background allows you to say this?


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:27:11 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (none / 0)

Thanks for your commentary.

Don't worry about demwords. He's what you call a shadow, a right winger who follows you around, trying to do what censorship has failed to do regarding the military occupation/colonization of Palestinian lands and the oppression and brutality it takes to achieve it. He could be anything from an Israeli settler with a computer to a bigoted member of Little Green Footballs. But a liberal or progressive he and his ilk are not.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:52:51 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (none / 0)

Shergald you are full of crap. From my dialogs with you which I have tried to be civil, you have dismissed ever fact that doesn't fit into your world view of a world Zionist conspiracy.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:00:20 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (none / 0)

WTF are you talking about?!

I am a life long leftist and supporter of Israeli's roots as a self-determined Zionist/Socialist/Labor state. Likud is an abomination of socialist principles and I reject them.

When did I smear Israel as monolithic? Maybe you need reading glasses. My point is that it is exactly the opposite.

It is shergald who seems to paint all Israelis and Zionists as colonialists and oppressors with an amazing one dimensional perspective...and never, ever a diary concerning anything else.

In every discussion shergald dismisses historic facts as "Zionist propaganda."

Just for your information, a Zionist is someone who believes in a Jewish nation. It has unfortunately become a pejorative on the left and perverted by fundy christians who call themselves "Zionists." These were the same crazies that were accusing Jews of blood libel a generation ago.

So looking at your comment I still don't know the WTF you are commenting about.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:54:18 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (none / 0)

You continually equate criticism of Israel's military occupation/colonization of the remainder of Palestine, the West Bank and East Jerusalem with antiSemitism. That's an old canard that is no longer effective is stifling or censoring discussion about a human rights injustice that has been going on for 60 years. Yet you use it continually.

It is also one thing to support Zionism, if by that you mean a homeland for Jewish people, but it is quite another to support the forceful and often murderous ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people and their property, who resided in that same land for over a thousand years, in order to attain it. The entire world, the UN, and the international courts fully recognize that the colonization of the West Bank and East Jerusalem are illegal. Why don't you?

Your problem is that you putting ethnic identity or ethnocentrism before principle, something most people and certainly not all Jews are willing to do.

Talk to members of Jewish Voice for Peace to understand why they do not condone the right wing Zionist nationalism that is at the center of Israeli politics. For cripes sake, the Holocaust only happened 65 years ago.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:36:40 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has something to offer... (2.00 / 1)

as a kid..I would bet you never won a single game of CLUE


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:25:54 PM EST
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Be grateful... (none / 0)

...you don't have to depend on writing comedy for your livelihood.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:34:20 AM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has (none / 0)

I've only seen two of his diaries now, but the other was on JStreet.

JStreet is anti-Jewish?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:49:04 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has (none / 0)

Google his entries across the web in other sites and you will find that shergald has never once offered a diary on any issue other than the I/P conflict, and that his spin is vehemently anti-Israeli...
...and at times full of international jewish conspiracy crap.

I have tried to have dialogs with him, but he rejects historical facts as "propaganda." He doesn't even acknowledge that hundreds of thousands of Jews from middle eastern countries were exiled from where they lived for centuries by arab governments in the 1950s. he has called this "propaganda.

He wouldn't even acknowledge historical fact because it doesn't fit his view as Israelis as bloodthirsty oppressors.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:07:23 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has (none / 0)

All well and good.  You obviously know him better than I do.

But JStreet ain't anti-Jewish.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:25:30 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has (none / 0)

I am aware of that.
You should probably also know that he has been banned from dKos. That could be a plus or minus depending on what is going there. But the aftermath of comments were about the "zionist right wing cabal" that runs dKos being behind it. Obviously, we are dealing with lunatic fringe here. Besides...I find any fervent one issue diarist to be somewhat suspicious. Ironically,  I was actually congratulating him on this post since he actually seemed concerned with other progressive issues.
Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:34:58 PM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has (none / 0)

demwords, your statements are so false and nonsensical that I am even reluctant to reply.

Your alleged historical facts are nothing more than repetitions of falsehoods intended to justify Israel's past and present ethnic cleansings of Palestinians to achieve the Greater Israel dream, i.e., to annex the West Bank and East Jerusalem into Israel.

Because Kos feared a backlash among politicians including Senators and Congresspersons who frequently used DKos to engage the left wing of the Democratic party, there was fear that too much criticism of Israel, too much press about what was actually going on in the occupied Palestinian territories, would discourage them. There were bannings of members who made known the IP facts through diaries. Within the past two years, in fact, over twenty DKos members were banned for their proPalestinian advocacy of freedom, self-determination, and justice, including some Israelis, Palestinian-Americans, and Palestinian exiles, while only two right wing Israeli proponents were also banned in the same period. Virtually all of the former who were banned were peace activists and most definitely against what Israel was doing and is doing today to the Palestinian people.

Do you have a problem with us?


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:06:12 PM EST
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Well Shergald... (none / 0)

...if you allege falsehoods, enumerate them.

We have had these discussions before and you always walk away from them before making specific factual disputations.

The fact that you even deny that Arab nations expelled hundred of thousands of Sephardic Jews in the 1950s who had lived in these countries for centuries is quite amazing. That is no myth, I know these people. They are not fictional. This is well documented.

It is in fact this group of Sephardic jews that brought the Likud to power.

Let me ask you the simplest set of questions.

1. Do you think Zionism is racism?

2. Do you believe in a two state solution as originally proposed in the 1940s?

3. Should Israel even exist?


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:36:35 AM EST
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Re: FINALLY, Shergald has (none / 0)

PS:

As with many of the DKos critics like yourself, the underlying theme of their criticisms is to stop it, period. In other words, the intent is to maintain the censorship and silence about the IP conflict that is maintained by the mainstream media in the USA.

It is not going to happen and is not happening on DKos in spite of attempts to ban away the critics. Others invariably come up to take up the cause of injustice. May I say in this regard that I don't believe you really know what you're talking about when you say progressive values: it is not keeping silent in the face of murderous acts committed by an occupying army for the purpose of colonizing another people's land.

I suggested elsewhere that you engage members of Jewish Voice for Peace to find out just what progressive values are in relation to the IP conflict.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:13:45 PM EST
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This is not about censorship...it is about dialog. (none / 0)

You call people liars. You attack Jewish and overwhelming progressive members of congress for supporting Israel, rarely do you bring up non-Jewish members of congress or senators. You play the "dual loyalty" card. Which is just plain slanderous.

The problem with you is that you wish to be a broadcaster rather than engage in constructive dialog.

This is about give and take, you basically resort to the juvenile "he's a right wing troll" when someone isn't buying your version of middle east history.

It is you who seem to want to squelch serious discussion to broadcast your black/white -  Israel=Evil, Palestinians=Good paradigm.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:45:11 AM EST
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I suggest seeing where shergald is being lauded (none / 0)

...and for what reasons.

He and his followers are raging paranoids who suspect Jewish cabals and conspiracies almost everywhere. Including Google itself.

We have seen this behavior before from right wing hate groups going back generations. Putting it in the pretense of a "progressive" context is just new clothing on this old evil.

If you read some of these posts you can see that shergald and his clan purposely drop these hate bombs and then back out of having meaningful discussions of the issues.

take a peek at his ilk

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/06/26 google-bow-to-zionists

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/b logs/voices.php/2007/06/07/p17371


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:57:19 AM EST
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One more shergald haunt (none / 0)

http://www.ziopedia.org/index.php


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:07:40 AM EST
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Certianly you should check out this... (none / 0)

...link from the previous site.

http://www.jews-anonymous.org/index.php/ home

...just old fashion jew hating in a new package


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:12:59 AM EST
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RE: Diary hijacking. (none / 0)

You complain about IP diaries being presented at MyDD, and then proceed to turn this one into just that: an IP diary. And your only purpose, I gather, is to demean the diarist.

And no, notions about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab countries in the 20 years following the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, called the Nakba, in 1948, never happened. Only one Arabic country, from over 20 in the region, Yemen, I believe (I many be wrong, it has been some time since this propaganda has resurfaced), formally expelled Jews. The point of this propaganda is justify the Nakba, a tit for tat claim. UN Resolution 194 has never been withdrawn and remains international law via 338.

Now if you have nothing to contribute to this diary, please desist from deviating it into a course how to slay the messenger.

Bye.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:30:41 AM EST
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Once again... (none / 0)

Once again you want to squelch debate and misrepresent. Israel still has a very large population of Arabs. They are citizens. In fact 12 members of the Knesset are arab israelis. There are no jews in middle east countries except for Iran, which is not arab, and never expelled jews.

Meanwhile arab brother nations keep Palestinians in camps and keep them in poverty. Using them as pawns instead of welcoming them as brothers.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:27:45 AM EST
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Re: RE: Diary hijacking. (none / 0)

Uh, I don't know how many of those countries formally expelled them, but quite a few became incredibly unlivable for Jews.  De facto ain't de jure, but it's close enough sometimes.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:23:18 PM EST
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Re: Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food (2.00 / 3)

There are some whose minds blink because the author of this diary continues to point out real hypocrisies.
Shergald is one of the few reasons I continue at MyDD..mojo for Demlandslide
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:31:29 PM EST

Re: Global irony: `have-mores' discuss global food (none / 0)

Kind words. Thanks.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:54:53 PM EST
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The hypocrites... (2.00 / 1)

...are Americans living on soil that was stolen from native americans and criticizing the entire Israeli population as "colonialists."


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:56:28 PM EST
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Re: The hypocrites... (none / 0)

Apart from the false claim that Arab countries enthically cleansing Jews from their midst, there comes this one: that Palestinians were akin to Native Americans, and therefore, Americans have nothing to say about Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, which still goes on today.

Demwords, you are just a propagandist of the right wing Zionist variety. Everyone has heard this nonsense many times. No, the Palestinians who lived in over 470 villages and towns in original Palestine were like not peripatetic Native Americans, if that makes a difference at all. Only the Bedouins in the Negev lived semi-nomadic lives, and they of course suffered the same fate, and are today still being pushed off their lands like the Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:37:15 AM EST
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Re: The hypocrites... (none / 0)

Once again you misunderstand. I'm not saying that native americans had no right because they were nomads. which oddly seems to be your point. I'm saying they had full rights to the land and were treated brutally by the US government. The hypocrisy is when people in the US attack Israelis as colonialist, when the entire basis of this country's existence has been in fact colonialism.

Your ignorance of Native Americans is also showing, many natives of North were not peripatetic. The in fact they build great nations and vast villages, in some cases cities. In Mexico truly vast cities.

Like I said, 12 current members of the Knesset are Arabic-Israelis.

There are virtually no Jews left in arab states where 60 years ago the population was nearly 1 million...and of course all their property was seized.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:20:49 PM EST
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Honestly (none / 0)

This is par for the course, I am all raged out.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:22:28 PM EST

Can't argue; this is disgusting (none / 0)

but it's also largely symbolic.

A more substantial--and relevant--question would relate to this country's ethanol policy, which diverts 30% of our corn crop to biofuels (which are themselves environmentally harmful.) This has helped fuel the worldwide inflation in commodity and food prices, exacerbating world famine.

At some political risk, in both 2000 and 2008 (can you spell Iowa?) John McCain has opposed this country's insane ethanol policy (a give-away to Ag giants Monsanto, ADM, etc.)

Gaining substantial political benefit (can you spell Iowa?) Barak Obama supports it.


by BJJ Fighter on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:05:51 PM EST

Re: Can't argue; this is disgusting (none / 0)

You McCainiacs make it so easy.

McCain 2003: "Ethanol is a product that would not exist if Congress didn't create an artificial market for it. No one would be willing to buy it," McCain said in November 2003. "Yet thanks to agricultural subsidies and ethanol producer subsidies, it is now a very big business - tens of billions of dollars that have enriched a handful of corporate interests - primarily one big corporation, ADM. Ethanol does nothing to reduce fuel consumption, nothing to increase our energy independence, nothing to improve air quality."

McCain 2008: "I support ethanol and I think it is a vital, a vital alternative energy source not only because of our dependency on foreign oil but its greenhouse gas reduction effects," he said in an August speech in Grinnell, Iowa, as reported by the Associated Press.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:42:44 PM EST
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`have-mores' discuss global food (none / 0)

Good grief - who would eat half this crap? Hairy Crab soup? As compared to what unhairy crab soup? Gross


by mavoter on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:36:39 PM EST


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